She’s a complete and utter dunderhead, along with being hateful and hate-filled. And yet, and yet, part of me wishes that Perez Hilton had not asked her the question. Clearly, it’s not helping the cause. After all, she’s gotten thousands of messages of support, even though she’s back-pedaling as fast as she can without actually retracting. Also, he’s snarky and shallow; he seems simply to have wanted to cause some sort of controversy, which he did. “Defenders of marriage” now have one more instance of teh gays’ insulting hetero-dom to add to their trophy case. He set her up, really, and used a very serious political issue as a wedge in a goddamned beauty contest, more to draw attention to himself than anything (imho). Did anyone else get any kind of political question? “Miss Kentucky, do you agree with President Obama’s declared policy to withdraw from Iraq? Why or why not?” In trying to get up on his soapbox, he gave her the wood, nails, and hammer to make her own.
I don’t know much about this incident, actually, and I don’t really care to find out. Hilton is a fairly loathsome figure. But isn’t it progress when opponents of same-sex marriage are branded as bigots and have to take refuge in lame relativistic hedges like “No offense to anybody there, but that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think it should be”?
I also found it hilarious that she started off with an untruth that, if it were true, would mean that we’ve won: “I think it’s great Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage.” I, too, think it would be great to live in a land where people could choose same- or opposite-sex marriage. (Some prefer oysters, others snails.) I love that Miss California, bigot though she is, in some way joins me in supporting the freedom of all Americans to marry whom they choose. (It’s very much like Sarah Palin saying, re: pregnant teens, “I hope they would choose life.” At least we agree on the choose part.)
Same-sex marriage is legal in seven countries: Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain and Sweden. And parts of the US, of course. Israel and France recognize such marriages performed elsewhere.
Also, I believe that in the European Union, civil unions between same-sex partners are enough to allow one partner to keep his or her foreign-born partner in the country. Which is not the case in the U.S. in any state, thanks to DOMA.
interesting about spain, guess franco really squashed the catholcsim out of them. also interesting about south africa.
what about the UK? or Australia?
Wow, that’s really shitty about DOMA. That will take years to undo.
Oddly, I found this old book on the street this morning, The Revolutionary Theme in Contemporary America. It was published in 1967. One of the essays is about the huge cultural differences between the US and Canada.
Interesting in light of this discussion. And then Mexico and the rest of the Catholic world, that’s all really weird territory. Italy?
I’ve heard she is dating Michael Phelps, so at least she isn’t against smoking weed. That is one for two. I’m torn on this one guys. What strange days. Who would have ever guessed there would come a day when the three biggest political issues on all of our minds are gay marriage, torture and legalizing MJ (screw the economy!).
She’s a complete and utter dunderhead, along with being hateful and hate-filled. And yet, and yet, part of me wishes that Perez Hilton had not asked her the question. Clearly, it’s not helping the cause. After all, she’s gotten thousands of messages of support, even though she’s back-pedaling as fast as she can without actually retracting. Also, he’s snarky and shallow; he seems simply to have wanted to cause some sort of controversy, which he did. “Defenders of marriage” now have one more instance of teh gays’ insulting hetero-dom to add to their trophy case. He set her up, really, and used a very serious political issue as a wedge in a goddamned beauty contest, more to draw attention to himself than anything (imho). Did anyone else get any kind of political question? “Miss Kentucky, do you agree with President Obama’s declared policy to withdraw from Iraq? Why or why not?” In trying to get up on his soapbox, he gave her the wood, nails, and hammer to make her own.
I don’t know much about this incident, actually, and I don’t really care to find out. Hilton is a fairly loathsome figure. But isn’t it progress when opponents of same-sex marriage are branded as bigots and have to take refuge in lame relativistic hedges like “No offense to anybody there, but that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think it should be”?
I also found it hilarious that she started off with an untruth that, if it were true, would mean that we’ve won: “I think it’s great Americans are able to choose one or the other. We live in a land that you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite marriage.” I, too, think it would be great to live in a land where people could choose same- or opposite-sex marriage. (Some prefer oysters, others snails.) I love that Miss California, bigot though she is, in some way joins me in supporting the freedom of all Americans to marry whom they choose. (It’s very much like Sarah Palin saying, re: pregnant teens, “I hope they would choose life.” At least we agree on the choose part.)
Dave, what the break down globally on marriage equality? Holland and Canada? Is that it? What’s up with super-progressive Scandanavia?
Same-sex marriage is legal in seven countries: Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain and Sweden. And parts of the US, of course. Israel and France recognize such marriages performed elsewhere.
Also, I believe that in the European Union, civil unions between same-sex partners are enough to allow one partner to keep his or her foreign-born partner in the country. Which is not the case in the U.S. in any state, thanks to DOMA.
interesting about spain, guess franco really squashed the catholcsim out of them. also interesting about south africa.
what about the UK? or Australia?
Wow, that’s really shitty about DOMA. That will take years to undo.
Oddly, I found this old book on the street this morning, The Revolutionary Theme in Contemporary America. It was published in 1967. One of the essays is about the huge cultural differences between the US and Canada.
Interesting in light of this discussion. And then Mexico and the rest of the Catholic world, that’s all really weird territory. Italy?
What about Asia? Contemporary Japan? Or Russia?
Here’s a nice response from Nicole Lamarche, Miss California 2003 and a UCC minister.
(first same-sex marriage I ever attended was of the minister of my parents’ UCC church and her lover, in 1985 or so.)
I’ve heard she is dating Michael Phelps, so at least she isn’t against smoking weed. That is one for two. I’m torn on this one guys. What strange days. Who would have ever guessed there would come a day when the three biggest political issues on all of our minds are gay marriage, torture and legalizing MJ (screw the economy!).